Ep. 46 - Spiritual Healing for the Science Girlies, Skeptical Souls, and Woo Curious: The Science and Spirit Behind Reiki Healing with Jolee Mougey

Have you ever thought, "I don’t know how it worked… but it did"? Because that’s exactly what I said after my Reiki session with today’s guest, Jolee Mougey, a spiritual healer with a seriously impressive science background. This episode is for the skeptics, the science-minded, and the spiritually curious alike.

Jolee holds a Master’s in Public Health, worked in epidemiology and medical research, and sat on the IRB board that ensures ethical studies. So how did she end up practicing Reiki and helping people heal?

Simple. Pain. Chronic pain, emotional pain, family dynamics that looked good on the outside but felt like survival on the inside. In our raw, honest convo, Jolee shares how she went from stuffing down emotions (good ol' Gen X conditioning) to becoming the healing presence she never expected to be. Whether you’re a total woo-lover or the person side-eyeing “vibes,” this one will speak to you.

00:00 Intro

03:13 Meet Jolee Mougey: From Scientist to Spiritual Healer

05:35 Exploring the Intersection of Science and Spirituality

07:15 Personal Transformation Through Therapy and Alternative Medicine

11:49 Discovering Reiki and Psychic Abilities

20:39 Navigating Spiritual Experiences

21:44 Embracing Psychic Abilities

25:13 Channeling Through Music

27:38 Personal Reiki Session Reflections

32:50 Combining Reiki with Therapy

36:12 Connecting with Jolie

37:53 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

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 I had such internalized judgment of things that aren't proven by science yet. 

Mm-hmm. 

So, and I think that that's part of the reason that I have a comfort level with it now is because I was the biggest skeptic. So when this started coming into my life, I really needed proof at every step of the way. I needed that one magical appointment that fixed my plantar fasciitis.

Mm-hmm. 

Um, it also helped that I was just feeling so good for the first time in my life. Like when I would go to a healer, they would just wave their hands over me and talk to me in a way that felt, I felt so very seen for the first time in my life. Um, and then I would feel better, but I would just feel better.

Like, you know, I had a great massage or something. I just felt better and I really needed more than that. I needed actual physical proof that my life was improving, and I've always been an avid journaler, and so I've document, I documented that. Not always. I've been an avid journaler for like the past four years, so I've really documented this whole journey.

Mm-hmm. 

And seen so much proof that there is something. Bigger than us connecting us all together. 

Mm-hmm. 

So I was raised as an atheist. I was raised with zero faith in anything but science. So the idea that there might be some, something bigger than us that cares for me and, and wants me to feel good and um, and discover my passions and move forward in life, that was really something that I had to test out.

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Welcome back to the Blissfully Bold Podcast. I'm your host, Gabby ly. Today I'm talking with Jolie Moje, A scientist turned spiritual healer. Her background is in human research, epidemiology, and biostatistics, so she spent a lot of time exploring health through a scientific lens. But when her own symptoms didn't respond to traditional medicine, she started looking for answers in a different direction.

That search led her to reiki, and through it she was able to release suppressed emotions, heal on multiple levels, and even discover her own psychic abilities. We get into what that journey looked like, what it means to be a sensitive person in a high pressure world, and how science and spirituality don't have to be at odds.

They can actually compliment each other. And if you listen all the way through, uh, towards the end, I talk about my experience with Jolie and. What having that Reiki session was like, now I'm just gonna give a little bit of a spoiler. It is a little hard to explain, but I do my best and. It. You just have to listen to really get it.

And if you really, really wanna get it, go and book a session with Jolie because I promise that you will not regret it and like your mind might be blown. So let's go ahead and dive into the episode. Hi Jolie, welcome to the show, and I am so excited that you're joining us today. Um, I like to kick off every episode with hearing more about you and what makes you kick ass.

So I wanna know what makes you kick ass at helping people heal physical and emotional stress with reiki? 

Uh, that's a good question because kick ass and reiki aren't usually in the same sentence because usually it. Reiki such a calm and gentle energy. 

It's 

true that I don't usually approach it with that.

Yeah. Um, but I like it. So, uh, so I think that what helps me do what I do is that I've been through what my clients have been through. Not exactly, but I've been through physical pain, I've been through chronic pain, I've been through depression. And so when people come to me with these issues, I just know how to meet them exactly where they are, and I have so much hope.

We can get through those hard times in life and really look back at them and appreciate them for the transformation that happened because of those hard times. I think the second component is that, uh, I have a science background, so I have a very logical and rational approach to something that is totally illogical and irrational.

So 

yes, 

I understand. When people come to me and they're like, how does this work? I can say, I have no idea, but mm-hmm. Here's why I think it does work, and here's the evidence that I see. 

Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. We're actually gonna get into like the whole, I don't know how this works, but it does because I actually had a session with you and we're gonna talk about that later.

Um, and I actually had talked to my therapist about the session too, and I pretty much used that exact like phrasing of like, I don't know, I don't know how to explain it, but it worked or I don't know how to explain it, but it just. Came together and like I said, we're gonna get there 'cause it was quite the experience.

But for right now, I wanna hear more about like your research. Yeah. I'm excited to hear about it. Yeah. I wanna hear more about your, um, background in like mm-hmm. Research science and like why the flip to spiritual healing. Because as you mentioned, they're very different. 

Yeah. They are night and day for sure.

So I have my master's in public health in epidemiology and biostatistics. Essentially that means that I was trained to design, conduct and interpret medical research studies. And I also worked on the IRB board, which is the board that, um, makes sure that medical research is ethical. So that's the, that was my career.

Mm-hmm. And then I took a break to be a mom. Um, as I was coming out of that phase, as my children were becoming more independent, I was, I think on the outside I looked like I had it all together. I was doing. I was doing all the right things. I was eating right. I was exercising. My family looked good on the outside, but inside we were in a lot of distress.

We were really suffering. I was emotionally very stifled, I would say. Like I was taught, like many people of my age, I'm Gen X, I'm 47, we were really taught to swallow our emotions down. Mm-hmm. And that's what I had taught my children. And we, my children weren't thriving, even though we looked okay on the outside, even though we, we were checking the boxes, we were really suffering because we were holding in our emotions so tightly.

So, um, luckily we got some guidance come into our life that put me into therapy. And essentially, I think this is a thing now where they put the mom into therapy 

mm-hmm. 

So that she can teach the whole family. Emotional competence. So it started with me just getting into therapy and realizing my, um, realizing what emotions are, what they felt like.

Uh, it was an intense therapy program called Dialectic Behavior Therapy, DBT. So it was a year and a half, three hours a week with homework. It was intense. And through that process I started to realize that my emotions are actual physical feelings. So when I'm scared, I feel nausea in the back of my throat.

When I'm angry, I feel tension in my jaw, and that one I can actually tell whether I'm angry at a woman or a man, depending on which side. I feel it. Oh, and I started to hone in on all of these physical feelings that were related to emotions. At that time, I was in a lot of physical pain. Also, I had. Really frequent migraines with vomiting.

I had a chronic cough to the extent that I actually slept with cough drops in my mouth so that I could get to sleep. Uh, I had plantar fasciitis, like I just had all these minor inconvenient chronic issues. 

Mm-hmm. 

And so as I came out of therapy, I went to physical therapy. The physical therapist sent me to an acupuncturist.

The acupuncturist happened to do Aiden Energy Medicine. It started to fix those chronic issues, like my cough was gone, my migraines were vastly improved. So I began to wonder like, what if we just start exploring? What if I give myself permission to explore healers? And so I started exploring healers and started feeling better and better.

And um, you know, the, in one session, my plantar fasciitis that I'd had for 11 years, I thought that's just foot pain. 

Yeah. 

Um, that's notoriously hard to get rid of. It went away after a two hour session with a healer. 

Wow. 

And I was fascinated. 

Yeah. 

If we can get rid of these really stubborn and persistent.

Um, maladies that so many of us have with a two hour session that involved muscle testing and tapping in conversation. 

Mm-hmm. 

What are we as a society missing out on, you know, so, so many of western medicine. Um, and I still have a ton of respect for Western medicine because I know it's so intimately.

Mm-hmm. But western medicine usually comes with a lot of risks. Surgeries have risks. 

Mm-hmm. 

Um, medications have risks generally going to healers. It is very low risk. So why don't we start experimenting with it? Why don't we incorporate that into our society? Yeah. And start feeling better. 

I love that curiosity that you have and that you were open to trying something else that wasn't.

I feel like it's not always respected by the science community. Right. I actually just read something yesterday, um, from an acquaintance that, you know, she's like, I, you know, I'm in the medical field and I shouldn't be asking about the Woo, but I'm curious, like, it, it, it does come with that kind of little bit of stigma, and so I'm just wondering like what kind of like mm-hmm.

Like pushback did you get when you were coming into the community from, you know, having a really mm-hmm. Structured science background into more of like the spiritual healer and why did you pick reiki in particular? Because you mentioned acupuncture and you act, you mentioned like, you know, other modalities, so Yeah, like why reiki?

Or Reiki. I'm sorry. Reiki. I always get it wrong. I'm so sorry. That's okay. Always get it wrong. Even having had it, it doesn't bother me one bit.

Um, okay. That was. That was a big question. So let's start with the first part, which is mm-hmm. Um, kind of how did I fight that stigma? Yeah. And I would say that I was the most judgmental person of myself. 

Hmm. 

So really when you're, you know, it was me that I had to really prove to myself that it was working because that I had such internalized judgment of.

Things that aren't proven by science yet. 

Mm-hmm. 

So, and I think that that's part of the reason that I have a comfort level with it now is because I was the biggest skeptic. So when this started coming into my life, I really needed proof at every step of the way I needed that one magical appointment that fixed my plantar fasciitis.

Mm-hmm. 

Um, it also helped that I was just feeling so good for the first time in my life, like. When I would go to a healer, they would just wave their hands over me and talk to me in a way that felt, I felt so very seen for the first time in my life. 

Mm-hmm. 

Um, and then I would feel better, but I would just feel better.

Like, you know, I had a great massage or something. I just felt better and I really needed more than that. I needed actual physical proof that my life was improving. And I've always been an avid journaler. And so I've docu, I documented that not always. I've been an avid journaler for like the past four years.

So I've really documented this whole journey. 

Mm-hmm. 

And seeing so much proof that there is something bigger than us connecting us all together. 

Mm-hmm. 

So I was raised as an atheist. I was raised with zero faith in anything but science. So the idea that there might be some, something bigger than us that cares for me and, and wants me to feel good and um, and discover my passions and move forward in life, that was really something that I had to test out.

'cause I wasn't raised, I was raised thinking that faith was something for people who were uneducated. 

Hmm. 

That's just my family's bias. 

Right. 

So I really had to prove to myself, what if faith is so much more than I was raised to believe? 

Yeah. Wow. That's really big. It's huge. Like to come from, you know, this idea that this is like, yeah, like, like science is, you know, the.

What your basis is. Right. And then to even come from a family that doesn't necessarily recognize faith, whether that be in a God or the universe or whatever it is that people believe in, like to shift to that per perspective of like something is bigger than us and I am able to feel it and channel it.

Mm-hmm. To help other people like that is really incredible. Yeah. And part of that, which is also unexplained, right? Like a lot of people can't explain it, is. These like psychic kind of intuitions mm-hmm. That we have. Right. And you actually mentioned, um, to me, not here right now in the podcast, but previous, you know, um, kind of getting to know each other that you do have some psychic abilities, right?

Mm-hmm. 

So tell me more about like, honing those and like getting more in touch with those and how do you feel them? I wanna hear all, like, all the details because I feel like a lot of people, like that's part of the woo that people want to know about is. How, how is psychic? I, I'm asking a lot of questions.

I'm sorry. That's okay. Like how, like how did you find your psychic abilities, like to hone them, and then also like, what's the difference to you between like psychic ability and following your intuition? 

Yeah. Okay. So let's start back with the question of why Reiki. The reason I went into reiki is because I had three people in a row tell me that I should learn reiki.

I thought, and by the third person, I was like, do you guys tell everyone this? She was like, no, it's actually really weird that you've been told that three times. So what I did is I said, okay, I'll, I like threw it out into the universe and I said, I'll learn reiki if if's not that expensive. If it's really close to my house, if it fits perfectly into my schedule, then I'll learn reiki.

And I looked up the class and it met all those criteria. So I scheduled with the person, it was a one-on-one class. I showed up at her house. I texted a friend of my whereabouts because I was showing up at a stranger's house to learn reiki. And, um, within, I would say within the first 15 minutes, my teacher was named Krista.

She and I realized that her brother and my husband were business partners. Like right then when she was teaching me reiki, they owned, they were at work together. So it was like another cosmic, um, coincidence that felt so supportive like this. She also had a science background, so she and I as backgrounds were just so similar.

My husband's a doctor, her brother was a doctor. Her son's, at least one of them was a doctor. So lots of western medicine background and. This willingness to explore, um, spiritual healing? 

Yeah. 

So once I learned reiki, once I learned how to connect with people with reiki, I started to realize that I could feel what they were feeling.

And the first time this happened, I was in a restaurant and I was waiting for takeout, and the waitress had a brace on her knee and I thought, oh, I'll just so sweetly give her some rapey while I sit and wait for my takeout. And nowadays I would not do that without consent, but at the time I was just like, oh, I'll just send her some reiki.

And I tapped in and I felt that nausea in the back of my throat intensely, which for me is fear. And I realized that that knee injury for her was somehow really connected with an intense fear. So I disconnected. I went outside. I took some deep breaths and I realized that I was feeling feelings that were not my own.

Wow. 

So that was the very first time it happened. And then I essentially started to test myself with reiki. So in one case I was part of an online group and I asked for three volunteers that I'd never met before. Mm-hmm. And I got three people to volunteer. They, none of them were in my hometown. So that was, this was all distance, Reiki.

Uh, at a preset time without ever having talking. Talked to them in person at a preset time, I connected with Reiki and I gave them a reiki session. And then afterwards we talked for the first time and realized that, you know, one of them was grieving her father. And I had sensed that one of them was, um, I forget what the thir this first one was.

The third one though, felt so she was just in a really joyful time in her life. Um, and so I realized that I was getting, I mean, it wasn't a hundred percent accurate, but it was accurate enough to make me believe that there's something here. Somehow I am predicting what's going on in their life without ever having met them.

Yeah. 

So I've just continued. To set up these little mini experiments with myself to prove to myself that this is something more than just me being really good at reading people, just me being really friendly. Just me being a good conversationalist. 

Yeah. There's 

something here that's bigger than that.

Mm-hmm. How do you get, like, so you're saying that you had to like prove to yourself, right? 

Mm-hmm. Over and over. 

Did you ever feel like. Maybe am I going crazy? Like when you, when you ask yourself like, oh, sure. Like everything is just so aligned and so coincidental, like, am I fucking going nuts right now?

Mm-hmm. Like what is happening? 

1000%, yes. The right people always came into my life to reassure me, so I always had a person in my life who was there at the right time to show up and say, I don't think you're crazy. In fact, you're definitely not crazy because of X, Y, Z. But I still do that. I still will, I still have people in my life that I have to connect with regularly and be like, um, just last week I was in a Reiki circle and a reiki circle is when a lot of Reiki practitioners get together and we talk about what we're going through spiritually, and then we trade reiki with each other.

And I have, in a lot of my sessions lately, I've been connecting with dead people. I just had a session, and that's not really what I advertise myself to be. I don't advertise myself to be a psychic medium, which is someone who connects with dead people. But I had had this session where that's what happened, and all the information that came through was spot on accurate.

Wow. So I went to my reiki circle and I said, what's happening? Is this what I do now? Is this who I am? Am I a person who talks to dead people now? And, um, the, everyone in the reiki circles, generally, I'm usually the youngest one. And there are a lot of young people who do reiki, but for some reason, my, the people I connect with tend to be, um, much older and they've all been doing reiki for 30 to 40 years.

So they're very calm about. The fact that this exists. 

Yeah. 

Um, and they were, they were able to encourage me and basically remind me that this is probably a gift that all humans are capable of to some degree, and the information that that particular person needs. If I can remove all judgment and just let it come through, 

yeah, it 

will be what that person needs.

So some people do need. Closure with someone who's departed. 

Mm-hmm. 

Some people don't need that. And in that case, what messages do they need to receive? Right. So really not filtering what's coming through, just letting it come through and landing how it lands and knowing that sometimes it's gonna feel, it's gonna be so accurate and clear in that moment.

And sometimes the clarity will come later and being okay knowing that I am merely a channel. 

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Thank you for explaining that. 'cause I didn't mean to say like, oh, I feel fucking crazy. Like to make it like be less than, you know, because I've definitely had moments Oh yeah. Of where I've asked myself like, is this happening right now?

Is this real because it, how? How? Mm-hmm. Just how can this be like making sense when it shouldn't be? Mm-hmm. And just like questioning those things and. It. Yeah. It's, I I, it's nice that you also had a, a support system there to also help you feel validated in what it was that you were experiencing. 

Yeah, and I actually think that I had to get psychic information.

In order to prove to myself that the connection was working. I think that that's part of the way that I prove to people that it's working is that, um, I tell them information that I otherwise wouldn't know. Mm-hmm. And that way it's not just, especially with distance reiki like, oh, I'm, I'm sending you healing energy.

Do you feel it? And some people can feel it. But most people are gonna be like, no, you're, you're crazy. You're not sending me healing energy. But when I give them, when I can tell them something about themselves that they already know to be so true, number one, they just have that real gift of being seen at a deep level that I think is missing in so much of our culture.

And number two, they're like, oh my gosh, this must be working. Because she's giving me information that she doesn't know. She shouldn't know. Yeah. I, I think for me, I almost had to be psychic in order to do this professionally. 

Yeah. You definitely had to have some kind of, you know. Six sense. Right. So speaking of like senses, how do you get the information most, I know that you've mentioned both in your content and also in the session that I had with you, which we're, like I said, we're gonna get into that.

Um, but you seem to channel it sometimes through music, right? 

Often through music. Yeah. Um, so I think everybody can do this. I don't think I'm unique in this way. When a song is stuck in my head, that song is giving me guidance. So I, you know, if I'm having, like, I was skiing last week and in skiing for me, it's hard work.

I'm not sure why I do it. Am I doing it for my husband? Am I doing it for myself? And there was, um, so I, I would say that in that morning there were four or five songs that filtered through to remind me of, just to give you the encouragement that I needed in that moment. When do you need to push through?

When do you need to relax and enjoy the moment? When do you need to really appreciate having an opportunity to connect with your family in a unique way? So, and like this morning, there's been a song stuck in my head, pretty prevalently, and I still don't know what the message is. The song is, I think it's called Mean, it's by Taylor Swift.

It's kind of an older Taylor Swift song. And so I'm just waiting for the awareness of like, why, why is this song coming to me? What am I, what am I not ignoring necessarily? But there's something in my blind spot and once I can figure out what that song, the message of that song, I'll be able to figure out what's in my blind spot.

One of the first times it happened, and I actually used it during a session, is I told it was another Taylor Swift song. Um, I told the client that Cruel Summer was coming to me. Mm. And she said That song has been stuck in my head for two days. Wow. So sometimes it's a, sometimes it's a, it was so fun.

Sometimes it's a song that, um, is like, that, like is stuck in their head. Mm-hmm. And sometimes it's a song that creates an emotional release, which I think is what happened for you. Like you weren't really familiar with the song, but listening to the song later caused some emotional release and probably healed an aspect of you that really needed to be seen and validated and released.

Yeah, absolutely. Like, so we're gonna go ahead and just talk about my experience because I like all of what you've just said. I definitely experienced that in my session with you. Um, you know, from not us not knowing each other really, and like me coming to the session and you telling me exactly like what the pain point was and I was like.

What the fuck? Like, how, how did you know this? Like, I didn't even talk about like this person. It's so crazy. Um, and then like you mentioned about the song, I've heard, I had heard the song before and I just never, like, it was just a song that I heard like on the radio or in passing, like, you know, it wasn't anything that I really paid attention to.

Yeah. And then after I heard it again, it just, it felt very like. Emotionally releasing. Um, I, I think I mentioned this to you. I was like driving and like just had this like sudden onset of emotions. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm really glad that I was at a stoplight, because I'm like, why am I so emotional right now?

It's so crazy. And then one thing, um, another song that you had mentioned in our session together was. Sail away or something. And Yeah. By en Yeah. You had said, oh, do you know that song? I was like, I do know that song. And then the one that you sent me, I was like, oh, this isn't the, the sail away song that I was thinking of.

I was thinking of, um, who, who's the other one? It's, I forgot who it's by. It's like, come Sail Away. Come Sail Away. Oh, yeah, me do. Yeah. Do you know 

I do that? Yeah. Yeah. That's 

the sail Away song that I thought you were talking about. And that was the one that had been stuck in my head. Oh. So it was kind of crazy.

It was like, it's the same song title. It's just 

Yeah, totally. And also like, I don't know every song in the world. I'm not actually a big music person, and I definitely get the words wrong all the time, so, so I think that sometimes it's like, you know what, what song can we get Jolie to recognize and verbalize so that Gabby gets the information that she needs?

You know what is so crazy? You just said you don't always get the words right. Right. You just said that. Um, 

no, that one I often get them wrong. 

Well, okay, so it's crazy because that other song that you had told me about, that Riptide song, the Vance Joy song, like the lyric in there is, I don't always get the words right.

Oh, that's so wild. So wild. This is real time guys. This is real time. Like aha moments. Just so you know, like this. Like seriously, this is what a session with you is like. Like it feels like you are spot on in what you're recognizing, like as far as the emotions and even like. With some of the messages that are coming through to you, like they make sense.

And then even afterthoughts, like, how far out are we after, like a, a, a week. And it's still like bringing aha moments. Yeah. And it really was so healing and I didn't have any expectations going in. Um, like I wasn't a skeptic because I've heard of reiki. I've heard of many people using it to, you know, move emotions through the body.

And so I, I didn't like. Disregarded or anything. I just didn't know what to expect. And when I had that session with you, it just really did feel like an overall sense of calm and like I could just breathe again for a moment. It felt so nice. It was like a massage after. 

I've heard that before and I wanted to say too that, um, you mentioned like that I pointed out your, one of your pain points and I think that, that's not my intention.

Like my, like I think that that was my intention. You can go around in the world pointing out pain points to people really easily. Everybody's got big ones, but I am, what I, what I'm able to tap into is what's up for healing. Like what? Part of yourself? Are you ready to finally see and say, oh, I see what I was doing.

I see how that action or belief was protecting me, and I also see that I'm ready to let it go. 

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I definitely felt that too. 

And I think that that's where the healing happens is when you see Good. Good. Tell me more. 

Tell me more. No, I did, I did feel that like, because you did, um, like kind of, uh.

S like get the point, PA point paint out. Gosh, I can't even speak the pain point out. Um, but it didn't feel like you were picking at it. It felt like you were like kind of gently massaging it out to like just move on. Like, not necessarily move on and get over it, but like mm-hmm. To be able to accept it and to process it and give it the time and space that it deserves.

Yeah. I'm so glad. 

Thank you. 

Um, so one of the things that, I'm also trained in tractor field therapy, and that is something that uses tapping and muscle testing. It seems to be kind of a dying art. The woman who taught it to me is in her eighties, but it works under this belief system that there are layers of protection that we have.

And the more we can unravel those layers, the tour we can get to our authentic, our authentic self. And those layers are essentially beliefs, old beliefs that protected us. So maybe one of them is like, I'm stupid. Like I think that's a belief that a lot of people are carrying around. Once you, your logical adult self can see like, oh, I see how that really protected me at a certain age.

I also have all this proof that I am not stupid and I can let go of that layer of protection and basically like, you know, like an onion working down closer and closer to our authentic self. And once I learned that strategy, I realized that I didn't need the muscle testing and the tapping. I could do it with reiki.

So my, my sessions are guided on that principle that I learned with attractor field therapy. Um, but I kind of skip a lot of it because I have. The reiki and the psychic connection, which allows me to make it a lot more efficient. 

Yeah, definitely. Um, I feel like the reiki is a really good, uh, like pairing with therapy, like having mm-hmm.

Your traditional mm-hmm. Like talk therapy, um, session and then going to a reiki session. It's like, it, it kind of brings the two together and honestly it feels more tangible. To like move some of those emotions through rather than when you're just talking about it like in a therapy session and you're identifying or recognizing it in therapy.

But with the, with Reiki, it feels like there's actually something you can do about it or being tangibly like moved through. It's hard to explain. It's so hard to explain, but it feels really good. 

Uh, yeah, I agree. It is hard to explain, but I do think that reiki does pair really well with therapy. I love working with people who've been in enough therapy to really recognize her own emotions.

And I was actually working with someone yesterday. Yeah. And she, she would, she kept misidentifying her own emotions. And so she would say, I have a lot of shame around this event. And I would say it's interesting 'cause I think I'm feeling a lot of anger. And so we were able to clarify that, you know, maybe it made sense that that situation was shameful, but she'd moved past the shame and she had moved into anger, maybe anger at herself for being, for letting herself get into that situation.

I don't know. We were, we went into it, but that it happened a couple of times where she said, I feel. Resentment and I was able to say, actually I'm feeling fear, so let's explore that. Let's explore this old event and see maybe, maybe you've ma moved past that and you're ready to look at it with from a new perspective.

Oh, I love that. So when people want to work with you in. Are like, okay, I've done the therapy thing and it's not quite working, or I've tried these other modalities and they are really like Reiki curious, how can they find you? Mm-hmm. And what services do you offer? 

So my website is my first and last name, so jolie moje.com, and you can schedule a session through there.

Most of my sessions are on Zoom at this point. I find that's a really, I find that my Zoom sessions are sometimes even more potent than my in-person sessions. And it's great that it allows me to work with people all over the world. Um, and the place to start is just with a session to see if you like it.

If we connect. Well, if you. Get the benefit of physical healing from the emotional healing and the spiritual healing. 

Yeah. 

And so that's where to start. 

Amazing. 

I'm also on Instagram, so if you just wanna get like a better sense of my personality and my approach, Instagram's a good spot to start too. And that's just Jolie dot Moj.

Awesome. Well definitely go check out Jolie and look at all of her information that she has on Instagram and book a session with her because I promise that you will not regret it, and you'll probably be totally fucking amazed and in awe of like. How, how is this like feeling possible? And just don't question it, just go with it.

So I just wanna thank you, Jolie, for coming on the show and telling us about Reiki and telling us how we can actually work with you. It's been a pleasure. 

Yes, it, it has been a absolute pleasure. Thank you so much, Gabby. 

What'd you think of that conversation? What intrigued you? Hit me up on Instagram at Gabby dot Reely and let me know.

And a big thanks to Jolie for sharing her story and perspective today. I really appreciated her honest take on what it's like to navigate both the scientific and spiritual sides of healing. And here are a few things that I am walking away with from our conversation today. Sometimes healing requires us to explore beyond what we've.

Always trusted, even if that's science, just because some things in life can't be explained, and that doesn't mean that it deserves to be discredited. Two, uh, sensitive people often carry emotional weight that needs intentional release and not just symptom management. Uh, that was very apparent in my.

Session with Jolie. Uh, I didn't realize that I was holding on to so much emotion in some ways, and it was a little jarring. And then finally, tools like Reiki can offer real support when we feel stuck or unseen in traditional systems. And I'm actually like looking forward to the next time that I can have a session with Jolie for Reiki just because it was.

So profound for me in moving some of that energy. So if this episode sparked something for you, I'd love to hear what landed. Uh, again, you can DM me at Gabby dot reely on Instagram. And as always, if you're enjoying the show, leaving a quick rating or review would really help to keep these conversations going and also just help others find the show.

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